Raptors/Rockets [REWORK] - VETOED (0-3)

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November 18, 2012[/u]

Toronto Raptors Trade:[/u]

SG Landry Fields (TOR) (12/13:$6.25M,13/14:$6.25M,14/15:$6.25M,'15/16:UFA)
PF/SF Linas Kleiza (TOR) (12/13:$4.6M,13/14:$4.6M-PO)
PG John Lucas (TOR) (12/13:$1.5M,13/14:$1.57M-TO)
2014 1st Round Pick (TOR)
2013 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

For

Atlanta Hawks Trade:[/u]

PG Jeremy Lin (HOU) (12/13:$5.0M,13/14:$5.23M,14/15:$14.9M,15/16:UFA)
SG Evan Fornier (DEN) (12/13:$1.0M,13/14:$1.1M,14/15:$1.27M-TO,15/16:$1.45M-TO,16/17:$1.82M-QO)

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* Toronto Raptors accept and confirm. Addition of PG Lucas and a future 1st round pick for when his contract ends.

** Houston Rockets to follow and confirm.

[Deleted]

Same here

[Celtics GM (Jose)]

Loren,

We need you to post not only your acceptance but also your motive, even if you copy-paste your reasoning from the last trade.

[Deleted]

Confirm and Accept. Lins production has declined and needing SF and gaining picks.

[Celtics GM (Jose)]

Lin is the key here.

How do we value him? For his play in NY? For his actual play? For his potential?

Taking into account that he's still rehabbing his knee, Lin is currently #56 in the ranks, he's in a new team that is not so good and has lots of holes, apart from Harden and maybe Parsons, he's without his head coach at the time, so i don't think he's done a poor job.

He's only really struggling in ISO plays, an area where he excelled in NY, and that's affecting his %FG, which is one of the two stat cats he's negative in (and this is the one that's really setting him apart from top PG's) so i don't think that his production is really that bad. And i believe it will only get better.


He also has a big contract in 14/15.

At least, that's how it looks now... How will it look after next year's UFA period? We don't know, but everyone can take a shot... And how will it look in the year HOU is supposedly paying that? That's even further away.


Fournier was the 18th pick in this draft. He's played sparingly and he's stuck behind the 27 SG's the Nuggets have. But he was the 18th pick and has a 5 year contract with a QO on the end of it.


Fields had elbow surgery to a nerve last week and is out "indefinitely". On his 3rd year he's trying to comeback from a sophomore slump and do better than the 8pts, 4rebs and 1stl he did last year, so he's value among SG's or SF's is almost marginal, specially between those who'll earn 6M for the next 3 years.

Kleiza is an "injury-prone low FG% some rebs" european, who's already left the NBA once and has a PO for next year. He's currently coming back from injury (again) and he's only playing the next weeks due to Fields injury.

JLIII is the 3rd PG on the team, also playing now due to injuries. Albeit showing great skill when given playing time, he's the kind of player that never stopped to long in one place and with a 2 year, with a TO for next year i don't think Toronto will be his home next year. And with the player turnover in the NBA, maybe his home won't be in the NBA even.


So we're talking about:

- 3 years of a good PG, who's shown the potential to be better than good (specially fantasy wise, 'cause we don't care about no real defense)
- 5 years of the 18th pick on this year's draft, who's yet to show anything meaningful, much like others in his situation


For:

- 3 years at 6M of a SG/SF like there are many out there (and with better contracts)
- 1 year, maybe 2 (but depending on Kleiza's will only) of a starting to look washed up, perennially overweight European
- 1 year, maybe 2 (depending on NDL GM) of the 3rd PG on a crappy team
- 1 2nd round for 2013 that with this trade would look 45-60
- 1 1st round for 2014 that with this trade would look 15-30, depending on next year's FA



I'm sorry for the long post, but at first sight my idea was to approve, since "good" players were being traded both ways.

But after processing all the stats information and the contracts, i believe this deal is more unbalanced than it should be. The Raptors aren't trading any significant player to the Rockets or any player that has a slight margin of progression into a meaningful player.

And in a deal where the Rockets prepare for the future, Toronto isn't giving them enough "future" back.



Vetoed (0-1)



However i believe a new bit of rework will make it happen.

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I like the inclusion of a first, but I still don't think that's enough for a 1st round pick AND lin especially if he's taking more $$$$ in return which I cannot stress enough.

Just a bit more Josh

Veto (0-2)

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Still veto for me but very close (0-3)