PHI-WAS | VETOED (0-3)

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Wolves trade:
Tayshaun Prince - 7.2M, 7.7M
Andre Miller - 5M, 4.6M-TO
Jason Richardson - 6.2M, 6.6M-PO

76ers trade:
76ers 2014 1st
Wars 2014 1st
Luc Mbah a Moute - $4.59, $4.38

I accept.

[Deleted]

Need some depths and I don't like picks. I accept

[Lakers GM (Renato)]

T'Wolves, please explain the reasons for this deal and detail each player's salary. It's easier to evaluate if we know a player's salary every year of his contract as well as team or player options.

Once you repost it with that, I'll vote on it...

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All the players contracted for two years more and the salary are almost the same. Only Jason Richardson has player option next year. My reasoning is cutting cap.

[Lakers GM (Renato)]

Almost the same is not exact. Please post exact salaries and options. We do have a spreadsheet for this purpose...

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Updated

[Lakers GM (Renato)]

Ok... Now that everything's clear, here's my take on it:

- Breaking down the trade, the players who resemble each other the most are Prince and Mbah-a-Moute (statistically).Mbah-a-Moute is statistically superior to Tayshaun Prince, specially since the trade to Memphis and with a far better contract (3M cheaper, roughly). No harm, no foul. Minnesota's edge.

- Jason Richardson for a 2014 1st is questionable. J-Rich isn't getting any younger and he's shooting 40% from the field, 60% from the line and having career lows in points, assists and rebounds. Is he worth a first in order to gain some depth? Depends on high that 1st rounder is. Minnesota's edge.

- Andre Miller is on his last legs. Doesn't start for his team. Had career lows (or close to it) in all stats except the %'s (and since he doesn't shoot that much, it ain't that positive). His salary is the same as the MLE but counts towards the cap. He simply isn't worth a 1st. Minnesota's edge, by far.

So, this is an extremely one-sided deal with a new player to this league. If it was one of the older guys that I actually know, maybe I COULD be talked into it but that isn't the case here. Maybe if it had second round picks instead of first I would approve it.

VETO (0-1)

[Nuggets GM (Joe)]

First impression when I first saw the trade was that how can Minny get 2 first round picks in a loaded draft year for all those supporting cast where everyone's number is declining and not looking good for next year.

Miller: Karl's favourite, Karl is gone and his minute will be cut, so his value will be even less valuable.
Prince: like Renato said, he's close to Luc Mbah a Moute
Jason Richardson: don't see him making big contribution next year.

So when everything added up, it's not looking good and fair for Jordan.

If this trade let's say only involve 1 2014 1st, then I would (reconsider) about my vote. But as for now, I have to veto this trade, sorry.

Veto: 0-2

[Former Spurs GM (Adam)]

Veto (0-3)

Renato and Joe did a very good job of breaking down why its a little too one-sided. I still rank Andre Miller a little higher than the other 2, and could see him being worth a first rounder. On the other hand Jason Richardson's knee injury and role uncertainty make it very hard for me to see his value in this trade. I don't see Richardson or Prince (especially factoring in his contract and age) being worth a first rounder.

I particularly agree the others that if it were a single first or 2 second rounders, it might be different. Or if it were with someone who has been in this league a little longer. (If it were mid-season and these players filled a particular need might be another passable scenario.)

I know you were both trying to be fair, and it can be reworked if you want to. Sorry for vetoing.

[Deleted]

Wow!! Picks are really valued high here. If you look at my roster, you will know why I did this. I need depths

[Nuggets GM (Joe)]

You can always fill up your roster through FA

[Lakers GM (Renato)]

There are plenty of ways to get the depth you want without losing your best assets for the future. But like we said before: try the same deal with just a 1st round or maybe two 2nd rounds.

[Deleted]

Terrible trade for 76ers. Good veto committee.