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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 20:17:12 GMT
4 years
13: 16.76 14: 18.43 15: 20.28 16: 22.30
77.77 total
19.44 AVG
OCV: 35
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:36:51 GMT
HOUSTON ROCKETS BID:
4 Years - $19.73M AAS = $78.90M = 35.51 OCV
13/14: $17.00M 14/15: $18.70M 15/16: $20.57M 16/17: $22.63M
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 19:43:44 GMT
4 years
13: 17.48 14: 19.22 15: 21.15 16: 23.26
AAS: 20.28 OCV: 36.5 Total: 81.11
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 16:56:30 GMT
HOUSTON ROCKETS OFFER:
4 Years @ $20.55M AAS = $82.21M = 37.00 OCV
13/14: $17.71M
14/15: $19.49M
15/16: $21.43M
16/17: $23.58M
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Post by Alex on Sept 12, 2013 5:15:52 GMT
4 Years @ $21M AAS = $84.00M = 37.80 OCV
13/14: $19.91M
14/15: $19.49M
15/16: $21.90M
16/17: $24.09M
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 4:07:22 GMT
HOUSTON ROCKETS OFFER: 4 Years @ $21.30M AAS = $85.22M AAS = 38.35 OCV 13/14: $18.36M 14/15: $20.20M 15/16: $22.22M 16/17: $24.44M Also would like to note, Bucks previous offer seems to be invalid THUS meaning the Rockets previous bid stood for 24+ hours and represents the winning bid. The prior bid has yearly salaries that do not match the OCV stated and in previous instances bids like this have been deemed invalid. If the bid is deemed valid (which would be absolutely bunk ?) the HOUSTON ROCKETS WILL BID --> 4 Years @ $23.38M AAS = $93.51M = 42.08 OCV 13/14: $20.15M 14/15: $22.16M 15/16: $24.38M 16/17: $26.82M AGAIN WE BELIEVE THE BUCKS PREVIOUS BID IS INVALID MEANING ROCKETS PRIOR BID HAS BEEN STANDING FOR 24+ HOURS AND WE SHOULD WIN HOWARD AT THAT PRIOR BID PRICE. LM'S PLEASE ADVISE. THANK YOU.
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Post by Celtics GM (Jose) on Sept 13, 2013 11:55:32 GMT
We've looked into your complaint in behalf of HOU's GM, but the value of the offer is within league rules, as stated in the "Free Agency" topic:
"-It must a bid that includes number of years, annual average salary and OCV"
Even though the english on that sentence is not the greatest (it lacks a "be" on the beginning of it), all the required fields were correctly introduced in the offer made by Alex, despite only being in the league for a couple of hours when he did it.
Therefore, his offer stood and we do not believe our decision to be absolutely bunk, so you can spare us with the 6 posts about "bush leagues" you were going to post.
HOU's new offer is now the standing one, expiring 14 Sep 12:07am ET:
4 Years AAS $23.38M OCV 42.08pts
$20.15M / $22.16M / $24.38M / $26.82M
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Post by Thunder GM (Tiago) on Sept 13, 2013 12:10:37 GMT
Yes, the bid is valid given the league rules.
Just another two notes:
- "The prior bid has yearly salaries that do not match the OCV stated and in previous instances bids like this have been deemed invalid"
Can you please shown us where we did this? I can't find it...
- Even if he hadn't posted all the necessary info (which he did) we were going to allow it, since he took over a new team just two hours before, in the middle of the FA process with lots of standing bids from the previous owner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 14:02:44 GMT
It's fine it's not about that - I just didn't know if they bid was valid since the years and yearly AAS did nt match the stated OCV.
Also, Tiago during RFA there was a bid made with yearly AAS and OCV did not match I could not recall which detail was used to determine value of bid.
To both of you, the dick-ish comments were not needed. I wasn't trying to invalidate Alex's bid as I know he is a new GM. I never said he didn't have all of the required information as he obviously did, but the information did not match up; which has happened before and was a discussion point when it did happen.
Also, I made bids to accommodate both situations so the smart ass comments were def unnecessary especially coming from the commissioners.
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Post by Thunder GM (Tiago) on Sept 13, 2013 14:43:50 GMT
Not sure what you are talking about, but it must be my english that is not good enough. I've read my post several times now and I don't see anything like what you described.
If the issue is with Jose's post, I'll let him talk for himself.
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Post by Celtics GM (Jose) on Sept 13, 2013 15:24:23 GMT
4 years - 21M AAS - 84M Total - 37.80 OCV What do you mean by "didn't match the stated OCV"? This math is all correct, and you can clearly identify the error that was made there by Alex, when he clearly copied your previous post, updated some values but messed up 2 of them, putting his Y2 value on Y1 of the proposal and kept your Y2 value on his, thus making the specific yearly value wrong. I replied with the same candid approach you took on your question. These are your words, not mine. As i've told you before, you can ask whatever you want about any subject you want and we'll take care of it. After that thread you'll receive an answer in the same spirit of the comments of your question. You make a proper point, you get a proper answer. You make a "smart ass" point, you get a "dick-ish" answer".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 17:50:10 GMT
4 Years @ $21M AAS = $84.00M = 37.80 OCV 13/14: $19.91M 14/15: $19.49M 15/16: $21.90M 16/17: $24.09M Jose, So you're telling me that this bid.... 4 years with a $19.91M salary in year one is a 37.80 OCV bid?? Because its not - it's 41.58 OCV. And the yearly increases are not valid. And if the first year was $19.49M the OCV on the bid would be 40.70 OCV. A 4 Yr deal representing a 37.80 OCV would have a first year salary of $18.10. So yes, my question was if the bid was valid because the breakdown did not match the bid description. When this same situation happened during RFA it was a discussion point about which item (description vs. breakdown) would be the correct bid. So I'm assuming we are saying that the description AND NOT the breakdown is the valid bid terms.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 17:59:59 GMT
HOUSTON ROCKETS OFFER: 4 Years @ $21.30M AAS = $85.22M AAS = 38.35 OCV 13/14: $18.36M 14/15: $20.20M 15/16: $22.22M 16/17: $24.44M [/u] But yes I saw this the question was in regards to which would hold true... As breakdown vs. description was a talking point before.... But questions answered. Rockets bid is still standing offer posted
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Post by Celtics GM (Jose) on Sept 13, 2013 18:41:08 GMT
The only numerical information we take into consideration is:
- Number of Years - AAS - OCV
Since Number of Years and ASS determine the OCV, if the 3 are all correct the bid is valid and the owner is now binded to that offer. (we also look at player age and TO's offered, but that doesn't apply here).
I mistakenly copied your 2nd offer, so the offer standing is this one, expiring 14 Sep 12:07am ET:
4 Years AAS $23.38M OCV 42.08pts
$18.36M / $20.20M / $22.22M / $24.44M
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2013 2:50:21 GMT
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