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Post by Nuggets GM (Joe) on Jan 24, 2014 16:54:36 GMT
wow, this is hugh, GSW did lose the tiebreaker because the 1st tiebreak is who play less min and GSW played more, so LAL won the tiebreaker, Tiago, pls make the correction , thanks
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Post by Lakers GM (Renato) on Jan 24, 2014 21:41:04 GMT
Thanks, Roberto. I'm wrong...
Yeay, 8-4!
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Post by Lakers GM (Renato) on Jan 28, 2014 17:44:33 GMT
So, are the ESPN leagues going to reflect this change or there's no need for it?
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Post by Thunder GM (Tiago) on Jan 29, 2014 0:20:29 GMT
done
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Post by João on May 16, 2014 14:58:47 GMT
What were the final standings of the season? (or jumping ahead: who matches which team for the draft lottery?)
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Post by Thunder GM (Tiago) on May 21, 2014 16:48:22 GMT
Sorry about this. I will post the entire Playoff order today or tomorrow. Someone got very very lucky
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Post by Heat GM (Pedro) on May 22, 2014 16:27:18 GMT
The question is: who´s Cleveland? Who´s lucky number 9 in our league?
The draf order, if we exclude Clevend, was the same as the draft lottery so here´s our season ending order, the lucky number 9 is either the blazers, pelicans, 76ers or cavs, we will only know after someone figures it out the tie-break.
1. Mavericks: 0 - 18 2. Wizards: 1 - 17 3. Kings: 3 - 15 4. Raptors: 3 - 15 5. Jazz: 4 - 14 6. 76ers: 5 - 13 7. Cavaliers: 5 - 13 8. Pelicans: 5 - 13 9. Trailblazers: 5 - 13 10. Pistons: 6 - 12 11. Grizzlies: 6 - 12 12. Nets: 7 - 11 13. Bulls: 7 - 11 14. Suns: 9 - 9
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Post by Thunder GM (Tiago) on May 22, 2014 16:52:22 GMT
We have only 12 teams without a tiebreaker or with a tiebreaker already solved (for playoffs).
NBA - NBDL 1 Milwaukee 15-67 (.183) // 250 - Dallas Mavericks 2 Philadelphia 19-63 (.232) // 199 - Washington Wizards 3 Orlando 23-59 (.280) // 156 4 Utah 25-57 (.305) // 104 5 Boston 25-57 (.305) // 103 - Utah Jazz 6 LA Lakers 27-55 (.329) // 63 7 Sacramento 28-54 (.341) // 43 8 Detroit (1) 29-53 (.354) // 28 9 Cleveland 33-49 (.402) // 17 10 New Orleans (2) 34-48 (.415) // 11 11 Denver (3) 36-46 (.439) // 8 12 New York (To Denver or to Orlando via Denver) 37-45 (.451) // 7 13 Minnesota (4) 40-42 (.488) // 6 14 Phoenix 48-34 (.585) // 5 15 Atlanta 38-44 (.463) - Miami Heat 16 Charlotte (To Chicago) 43-39 (.524) 17 Brooklyn (To Boston) 44-38 (.537) 18 Washington (To Phoenix) 44-38 (.537) 19 Chicago 48-34 (.585) 20 Toronto 48-34 (.585) 21 Dallas (To Oklahoma City via Houston and LA Lakers) 49-33 (.598) 22 Memphis 50-32 (.610) 23 Golden State (To Utah) 51-31 (.622) - Oklahoma City Thunder 24 Portland (To Charlotte) 54-28 (.659) - Los Angeles Lakers 25 Houston 54-28 (.659) - Houston Rockets 26 Miami 54-28 (.659) - Charlotte Bobcats 27 Indiana (To Phoenix) 56-26 (.683) - Indiana Pacers 28 LA Clippers 57-25 (.695) - Minnesotta Timberwolves 29 Oklahoma City 59-23 (.720) - Denver Nuggets 30 San Antonio 62-20 (.756) - Golden State Warriors
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Post by Thunder GM (Tiago) on May 22, 2014 16:55:08 GMT
Then we only need to use the pairings to find the draft order.
Someone between NOP, POR, PHI or CLE will be #1
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Post by Nuggets GM (Joe) on May 22, 2014 17:11:41 GMT
actually I think NYK in NBDL should have #15 pick because they were #8 seed in the East and Miami was #7
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Post by João on May 22, 2014 17:41:58 GMT
I'm working on the 4-way tiebraker. I'll try to detail every step and state my doubts clearly. I've never done one of these so double checking is appreciated, thanks. Following the rules available here: www.nba.com/standings/team_record_comparison/conferenceNew_Std_Cnf.html?ls=iref:nba:gnav. Tiebreaker PHI-POR-CLE-NOP: b. More Than Two Teams Tied (1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division. (none) (2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams. Among these teams only PHI and POR played each other during the regular season. Week 6: PHI @ POR 4-5-0 Week 15: POR @ PHI 2-7-0 I assumed here that this meant CLE and NOP were out of the picture and the 6th place was for either PHI or POR. Please check this. Now 2 teams are tied, so using the following rules: a. Two Teams Tied (1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division. (2) Better winning percentage in games against each other. (1-1) (3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division). (N/A - not in same division) (4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference. Here are POR's games against own conference: Week 1 - POR @ MIN - LOSS Week 2 - OKC @ POR - LOSS Week 4 - POR @ UTA - WIN Week 5 - DEN @ POR - LOSS Week 9 - MIN @ POR - LOSS Week 10 - POR @ OKC - LOSS Week 12 - UTA @ POR - LOSS Week 13 - POR @ DEN - LOSS Portland's final record against teams in own conference: 1-7. Here are PHI's games against own conference: Week 1 - NYK @ PHI - LOSS Week 2 - TOR @ PHI - WIN Week 3 - PHI @ BKN - WIN Week 5 - BOS @ PHI - LOSS Week 9 - MIN @ BOS - LOSS Week 10 - PHI @ NYK - LOSS Week 11 - PHI @ TOR - WIN Week 12 - BKN @ PHI - LOSS Philadelphia's final record against teams in own conference: 3-5. So I would take this to mean PHI finished in the 6th place and we now have a 3-way tie to solve for the 7-8-9 places. I'll wait for confirmation that this is correct before proceeding, this is too much work to do if not correct. Cheers
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Post by Heat GM (Pedro) on May 22, 2014 17:54:41 GMT
João, two comments:
1) The loser of the tie-break will be number 6th and the winner number 9, because the order is in reverse order;
2) I think if it´s a tie-break between 4 teams then the order will be found with the same criteria, but I am not sure on this, even if your right it only explains who wins POR vs PHI not PHI against the other 2 teams.
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Post by Heat GM (Pedro) on May 22, 2014 18:01:52 GMT
This are the rest of tie-breaks procedures for more than 2 teams tied. I think it´s number 3 the 1st applicable rule.
(1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division. (2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams. (3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in the same division). (4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference. (5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position). (6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).
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Post by João on May 22, 2014 18:03:08 GMT
Well I went ahead and got everything done.
For the 3-way tie between POR, NOP, CLE:
b. More Than Two Teams Tied (1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division. (none) (2) Better winning percentage in all games among the tied teams. (didn't play each other) (3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if all tied teams are in the same division). (N/A - not in same division) (4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
Here are NOP's games against own conference:
Week 1 - MEM @ NOP - LOSS Week 2 - SAS @ NOP - LOSS Week 3 - NOP @ HOU - LOSS Week 5 - DAL @ NOP - WIN Week 9 - NOP @ MEM - WIN Week 10 - NOP @ SAS - LOSS Week 11 - HOU @ NOP - LOSS Week 13 - NOP @ DAL - WIN
New Orleans' final record against teams in own conference: 3-5-0.
Here are CLE's games against own conference:
Week 1 - CLE @ MIL - WIN Week 2 - IND @ CLE - LOSS Week 3 - CLE @ CHI - LOSS Week 5 - DET @ CLE - TIE Week 9 - DET @ CLE - LOSS Week 10 - MIL @ CLE - LOSS Week 11 - CLE @ IND - LOSS Week 12 - CHI @ CLE - LOSS
Cleveland's final record against teams in own conference: 1-6-1. (btw: it looks like CLE played DET twice at home)
So NOP wins the tie-breaker and 7th place with 3-5-0 record against teams in own conference (CLE 1-6-1, POR 1-7-0).
So it's down to a two-team tie for 8th place. Again, by the rules:
a. Two Teams Tied (1) Division leader wins tie from team not leading a division. (none) (2) Better winning percentage in games against each other. (didn't play each other) (3) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division). (N/A - not in same division) (4) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
As seen above records for matches against own conference teams are: CLE: 1-6-1 POR: 1-7-0
So this would mean CLE would claim the 8th spot.
There are no more ties so POR would take 9th place.
So if my reasoning is correct, these are the final standings between the 4 ties teams:
6th - PHI 7th - NOP 8th - CLE 9th - POR
Again, please check if I've made any mistakes, which is quite likely.
Cheers
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Post by João on May 22, 2014 18:15:50 GMT
Sorry Pedro I posted before seeing your reply.
And you're right, it's in reverse order. I think this means that PHI wins the tie-brake and is 9th placed.
Then it would be down to the 3-team tie POR-NOP-CLE. Applying rule (4) NOP wins and is 8th placed.
For the two team tie it's again rule (4) so CLE wins and is 7th placed.
And POR loses all tie breakes and is 6th.
As for your comment number 2, I assumed that criterion 2 - winning percentage among tied teams - was 0% for CLE and NOP and 50% for POR and PHI, thereby excluding CLE and NOP and not needing a tie-breaker between them and PHI. Not sure if this is correct though.
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