CHI-UTA | VETOED (2-3)

[Evan]

Bulls Send:

Gorgui Dieng: $1.00, $1.10, $1.27(TO), $1.45(TO), $1.82(QO)
Gerald Wallace: $10.13, $10.13, $10.13


Blazers Send:

Ryan Kelly: $0.75, $0.86(TO), $0.99(TO), $1.24(QO)
Kosta Koufos: $3, $3(TO)
CHA 2014 2nd
OKC 2014 2nd


I accept. this trade is about getting Dieng. when he gets the minutes I think he could be a great source of blocks and boards. as for Wallace, since his contract is so terrible i was able to pick him up cheap, and pray he turns it around. I think he will end up having a larger role than Ryan Kelly who IMO is only good because he plays for a terrible team. my hope is that Wallace and Dieng will get larger roles next season.

[Bulls GM (Krzysztof)]

Bulls accept:
GWall off the books and nothing else matters.

[Deleted]

Pass. Totally understandable (1-0)

[Lakers GM (Renato)]

Nothing to add here.

Approve (2-0)

[Suns GM (Roberto)]

Can't really see a reason to let this pass.
Stats wise, Bulls win 6-3.
Cap wise, Bulls win by 7M.
Regarding upside, i'd rather have kelly and koufos.
GWall is 31, will earn 30M in 3 years and plays 25 min in one of the worst teams in the NBA with a PER of 9.1. (League average is 15, Koufos has 16.7)
On top of that, Utah sends 2 2nd round picks, even if they don't hold much value.

Veto (2-1)

[Domingo]

Keep forgetting Im in TC sorry for the late vote
2-2 Veto
I totally understand evan likes dieng and think kelly is only doing good cause hes with Lakers (In fact he just got benched for Shawne Williams lord knows why) but I feel like Dieng is at best a role player and isnt as a good as Kelly.. Then theres Wallace who puts up his typical interesting stat line every now and then but overall sucks especially at 10M for Koufos whos actually good and way cheaper. I dont understand the need of the 2 seconds so I gotta veto too.
Heres my overall veto reasons
Kelly has shown good potential as a starter and could easily be a good role player stretch 4 in this league while Dieng is unknown but bound to be a role player at best. Then theres the factor of aging Wallace who is worse or at best equal then Koufos at 7 million dollars more expensive for 2 more years and fwo seconds being adding to the side giving up more. This can easily be fixed and passed if both teams renegociate a bit

[Nuggets GM (Joe)]

2-3 Veto

Sorry, I just don't see how this trade works for Utah. I agree every bit of what Domingo said, Evan lose at least 7M cap for 2 years and 2 seconds for around the same production (I truely believe Kelly and Koufos production actually will be higher than Wallace and Dieng). So I don't think this trade is workable. I think I will pass the trade if Evans not giving 2 2nds and instead getting 1 from Chicago, then I think it will be okay. (Personal opinion)

[Lakers GM (Renato)]

Guys, I think I need to explain one thing. Ryan Kelly is a terrible player who wouldn't be in the league if it wasn't for Pringles being his coach. Yes, he's getting some mildly interesting numbers this season but that's because the Lakers are currently terrible. He can't rebound, can't play one on one defense, can't play help defense, has no first step to drive by his defender and do a short jumper if the 3pt shot is denied and his minutes per game are already going down... This does not make him a stretch 4. He's just a tall guy with a 3pt stroke but is shooting under 33% from beyond the arc. Trust me on this one, I've seen plenty of video on the "magnificent" Kelly-Sacre combo and they will be getting plenty of DNP-CD's once Pringles is gone.

That being said, to me Kelly is a 0.86M in someone's cap next season and my vote was on Koufos plus two very, very late seconds for a guy who can be a rotation player and Gerald Wallace (who can be the best player involved in this trade). I know this is a committee and I'm not complaining about the veto, it's just that I can't see someone speak of Kelly as a player with potential to be a starter

[Suns GM (Roberto)]

Your "best player" in this deal is 31 years old, averages 5pts 3,5 reb and 2,5 ass while earning 10M a year for 2 more years. That's toxic waste in this league...

[Bulls GM (Krzysztof)]

Yes GWall is 31 but he is not dying yet , yes he have terrible season i agree , Dieng is promising young player who if will be traded in year or 2 will be better player then Koufos - Koufos , he is just average player and as long as Gasol/Randolph are there , have zero chance for playing good amount of minutes plus he is only for one year and then FA , so is not like he is my FUTURE. Kelly is terrible and in my opinion he will be gone from NBA in season or 2 , or just will be playing 5-10 minutes.

Seriously , veto trade because of Kelly's potential is laughable , i believe that GWall will back to his old production sooner then Kelly will become reliable option in any team. I dont have a roster space for those 2 2nd's and to be honest i never asked for them , it looks like Jazz wanted to get rid of them. No matter how bad is GWall this is no COLLISION.

[Thunder GM (Tiago)]

Not that it matters now, but I also would have vetoed it.

[Deleted]

Not that it matters either, but I would have approved because I see no reason this trade was vetoable. Sure Gerald Wallace has a shitty contract but Utah clearly stated why he wanted him.