MEM | MIL - APPROVED (3-1)

[Grizzlies GM (Max)]

Grizzlies TRADE:
-- Isaiah Canaan HOU PG, $860K ($990K thru 2014+, $1.24M thru 2014+*)

Bucks TRADE:
-- Eric Gordon NOP SG, $14.9M ($15.1M thru 2014+)
-- 2014 Pick 2.26 (CHA)
-- 2016 1st (MIL)
-- 2016 2nd (MIL)

I accept. Get some picks and have tons of cap.

[Alex]

I accept this trade even do i lose picks am doing this trade because am looking to free cap.... Salary Dump to make a run at some players in FA also Gordon those not fit my team needs

[Celtics GM (Jose)]

We've seen a deal similar to this one before.

dynastyleaguebball.proboards.com/thread/4101/mem-orl-vetoed-2-3

My mind hasn't changed since then and i find this one even easier to veto, due to Gordon's quality (was only bad last year in TO and still has untapped potencial despite the injury and only coming back totally this season).


Veto (0-1)

[Grizzlies GM (Max)]

dynastyleaguebball.proboards.com/thread/4235/dal-okc

I'd like to point to this recently made trade as a barometer. The #28 pick is traded along with Marcus Morris and cap space for Derrick Favors and a future first. Now, that future first has a 1/15 (6.7%) chance of being worse that the 28th pick in this draft, making it safe to assume that the 2016 1st round pick will be in a better position (since assumption plays a large role in voting on trades here). Now that that is out of the way, doesn't it look strikingly similar to this trade? An overpaid (or soon to be overpaid) player for another player who has near fallen out of the rotation all together. The difference? That trade passed 3-0 without a hitch and this one is already at a 0-1 advantage.

I ask you, TC, not to look at the players and picks involved but also the salary cap changing hands. That is a MAJOR piece of the puzzle here. I can tell you Isaiah Canaan has potential and that he can produce half as much as Gordon and still outperform his contract relative to what others make. I can also tell you that Gordon can produce more than he did in his best season and still not play up to his ridiculous dollar amount. I just ask that you look at all pieces involved; I find it quite alarming that draft picks in some trades and explanations are overvalued (like here) and in some they are downplayed to an extreme extent (some people go as far as saying 2nd round picks have no value or sell their picks for high or low amounts relative to what a player of the draft pick's ilk would receive in free agency). This is not a criticism on anyone in particular. I just want to run my team the way I want to run it, because as it stands now I am set to live in purgatory here for the rest of my days. How others did it before me, I do not know. But I wish to do as they did and it seems that I am being denied that opportunity. First I have a trade vetoed at the deadline and lose an expiring deal for nothing and now I cannot use my greatest asset, cap space, to absorb an unfavorable contract and pick up a draft pick? This trade does NOT ruin the balance of the league in any way, shape, or form. Not every trade will be even however that does not mean every trade that is not right down the middle is worth a veto. This is not a trade that is squarely favored towards one side. It can be argued either way; the $15M can be used on a much better player in free agency and the 1st round draft pick is 2 full years from now (who knows where the league or any of us will be 2 years from now?).

Please do not take this as an insult; it is not meant to be that way. Just a plea for me to be allowed to run my team the way I wish. Just because I may win deals does not mean they should be vetoed. In actuality, I had to ponder whether or not this offer was fair and after I agreed to it I began to regret not asking for a bit more in return. I just want what is best for the league and vetoing trades left and right because it may or may not be slightly skewed will aggravate more people than not.

[Thunder GM (Tiago)]

I wont discuss this again.

Only two quick notes:

"I just want what is best for the league and vetoing trades left and right because it may or may not be slightly skewed..."

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27 Vetos

"who knows where the league or any of us will be 2 years from now?"

The league will be here. I will be here (unless I die). I honestly hope you will be here, it's just up to you. We will never kick a good active owner, even if he disagrees with us.

[Grizzlies GM (Max)]

I believe my comments, specifically the ones about the league's existence in the future, were taken out of context. I meant to emphasize how 2 years is a long time (double the lifespan of the league currently, if I'm correct) and things can and will change. Just today, 2 owners were taken out of the league. What I mean to say is that there will be many, many differences down the line and the pick is just as much of a lottery ticket as anything else.

[Suns GM (Roberto)]

I can understand Jose's motives to veto because i also remember gordon playing in LAC.
However, he has played 78, 62, 56, 9, 42 and 64 games since his rookie year. And even though he played 64 last season, he finished with a season ending knee surgery. Had he finished the season healthy, i might agree with Jose.
On top of that, he has a PO for 15M in 2015/16, which he will not give up, imo.
The picks added are not that valuable, especially after a 2016 1st was traded for 1M.
I think Isaiah Canaan will have a spot in HOU rotation at least this year, because he's a better shooter and floor manager than the rest of HOU bench guards.

I see this as a high risk/reward for MEM and a huge cap relief for MIL.

Approve 1-1

PS: Max, i don't understand all that fuss after 1 vote, especially comparing with a trade that has nothing similar with this one. Relax and wait for the rest of the votes instead of trying to influence the rest of the TC members, because it might backfire (it almost did in my vote).

[Thunder GM (Tiago)]

An now for the big surprise.

Gordon have lost 177 games in the last 5 seasons. for me, with his contract, he counts as a big negative asset. Specially since even when he played last year he didn't crack the top 100.

The only thing that I don't like in this trade for MIL is that they are giving up their OWN first 2016 which is one of the biggest assets one can have.

Still, I would do this trade easily if I'm MIL and I'm not sure I'll do it if I was MEM.

If this was midseason and Gordon was a decent enough asset that could improve one team or hurt another by losing him, I could veto since it could be seen as an unfair advantage to a team MEM, that are receiving one decent contributor without giving anything (cmon guys, Canaan?) and also being compensated with picks, but before the FA i totally like it.

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[Deleted]

Easy approval here. Max, take Suns advice and try to wait for votes because we all have different opinions. Gordon can be seen as a negative at this point of his career but he still can provide stats so I like the Griz move here.

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